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JUDY WOODRUFF: But, first, in the race for the White House, tensions are heating up in South Carolina.
Our political director, Lisa Desjardins, reports.
LISA DESJARDINS: The Republican 2016 race, already full of twists and turns, took one more today, when South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley announced she is endorsing Marco Rubio, four days before the state’s primary.
Otherwise, the contest has become a blur of blistering attacks, starting with the man at the top, Donald Trump, target, Ted Cruz. Cruz has said that Trump is not truly conservative. Cruz has a series of anti-Trump ads that make the point.
Today, in Bluffton, South Carolina, Trump again shot back.
DONALD TRUMP (R), Republican Presidential Candidate: You can’t lie about people like that. It’s just incredible. And, again, I have been in business and I have dealt with some pretty rough hombres, much tougher than Cruz. But I have never dealt with anybody that lied so much.
LISA DESJARDINS: As for Cruz, consider it the third law of politics. Every Trump attack gets an equal and opposite counterattack.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), Republican Presidential Candidate: Look, ethics matter.
LISA DESJARDINS: Today, the Texas senator went after Trump’s attempt to block his ads.
SEN. TED CRUZ: Mr. Trump has sent me a legal cease and desist letter saying, stop telling the voters my record. Now, that is, objectively, legally frivolous.
LISA DESJARDINS: But this is not a two-man war, and Cruz is also targeting fellow Senator Marco Rubio.
SEN. TED CRUZ: When you have Donald Trump and Marco Rubio repeatedly putting forth fabrications with no evidence, no basis whatsoever, just trying to throw mud and attack.
LISA DESJARDINS: Rubio is more focused in his attacks on fellow Senator Cruz and defense spending.
SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), Republican Presidential Candidate: Some people talk to me, and say, well, why vote for you and not Ted Cruz? Well, Ted Cruz voted for a budget that cut it even more. I’m not cutting defense spending when I’m president.
LISA DESJARDINS: Jeb Bush may not be in the top three right now, but he is not to be left out, firing away in Beaufort today at Trump, Rubio and John Kasich.
FORMER GOV. JEB BUSH (R), Republican Presidential Candidate: With all due respect, Senator Rubio, your four years or five years or whatever it is as senator does not match up to my capabilities of understanding how the world works.
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FORMER GOV. JEB BUSH: Donald Trump says we don’t need to spend more money on the military. And John Kasich has a similar kind of view. They’re wrong.
LISA DESJARDINS: Kasich, he kept his distance from the scrimmage, hoping a positive message wins.
GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH), Republican Presidential Candidate: Let’s not be negative about the future of our country or negative about our country today. We’re doing fine.
LISA DESJARDINS: The Democrats were less sharp-edged. But Hillary Clinton, in Chicago, did seem to dig at her rival, Bernie Sanders.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), Democratic Presidential Candidate: We need a president, yes, who is passionate about getting, as much as possible, money out of politics and reining in Wall Street, but we need a president who is passionate about creating jobs and raising incomes, like I am.
LISA DESJARDINS: Sanders left the campaign trail briefly today, returning to Vermont. Up next? Candidates in both parties hit national television for town halls the next two nights.
For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m Lisa Desjardins.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Just three days away from the next voting contests, we turn our attention to Nevada, where Sanders and Clinton will face off for the third time, as well as South Carolina, which we just heard about.
Joining us tonight from Las Vegas is Jon Ralston of “Ralston Live,” and from South Carolina, Randy Covington. He’s a professor of journalism at the University of South Carolina. He is also the former news director of WIS Television in Columbia.
Gentlemen, welcome to you both.
Let’s start with the Democrats and Nevada.
Jon Ralston, the race has tightened up there between Clinton and Sanders. What has happened? Why?
JON RALSTON, Ralston Live: Well, Hillary Clinton had the state locked up. She came here early last year, set up an infrastructure, hired all these operatives from 2008 who had worked here. She reached out to the Latino community. Bernie Sanders was invisible here. His campaign didn’t even arrive until late last year, but then slowly the tide began turning.
He started to turn. He raised a lot of money, put resources in here, spent money on TV. And then after New Hampshire, Judy, the tide completely turned, when she lost by a landslide in New Hampshire. Her internal polls showed she was hemorrhaging. Suddenly, the Clintons were making New Hampshire and Iowa seem like Nevada, when it is nothing like Nevada. They said it was an all-white state, essentially.
And so her campaign essentially has been in a freefall here. They have been trying to stop that. And they’re hoping to have a parachute before they hit the ground on Saturday.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And just quickly, Jon Ralston, Hillary Clinton had shown strength among Latino voters. We know she had some strength among the labor unions. What has happened to all of that?
JON RALSTON: Well, she does have strength among Latino voters here, Judy. In fact, she has had some high-profile endorsements. She has Dolores Huerta, the legendary civil rights activist, campaigning for her here today.
Henry Cisneros, the former Cabinet secretary, mayor of San Antonio, was here. She has a lot of local dreamers, including maybe the most famous dreamer in the country who was on stage with President Obama. Astrid Silva has endorsed her.
But Bernie Sanders has made inroads. Even her — even the Clinton campaign acknowledges that Sanders’ message is starting to resonate in the Latino community. So, I think she will win Latinos, but will she win by enough to win the caucus on Saturday?
JUDY WOODRUFF: Randy Covington, let’s turn to the Democrats in South Carolina, where Hillary Clinton seems to be holding onto her lead a little better. What does it look like?
RANDY COVINGTON, University of South Carolina: For the Democrats, there is not the passion that existed eight years ago when Barack Obama was running.
Most African-American leaders here are supporting Clinton. The Sanders message is fairly alien in a conservative state. I think it’s fairly safe for Hillary Clinton here. More of the focus, more of the excitement is on the other side.
JUDY WOODRUFF: It sure is. And that’s where all the — as we saw in that report from Lisa Desjardins, that is where a lot of the yelling and the TV spots are directed.
Randy Covington, why is Donald Trump doing so well in South Carolina?
RANDY COVINGTON: Well, South Carolina has a long history of being contrarian.
The Civil War started here. When the civil rights legislation passed in the 1960s, we raised the Confederate Flag on top of the statehouse. His message resonates in a state like this. And at a time in the nation where there is frustration over government, clearly, Trump has tapped into that. And in a state that four years ago in this primary went for Newt Gingrich, I don’t think there is anything surprising about Trump’s strength.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And what about, though, the message from Ted Cruz? And we know that he and Trump are in a vicious back and forth. Who is listening, who is responding positively to Ted Cruz?
RANDY COVINGTON: All right, so, Judy, if I could turn the clock back, 16 years, you were at CNN. I was working in television at that time.
And John McCain and the Straight Talk Express came rolling into South Carolina. And then things got really interesting. And I think we’re at this exact same moment today. You have the apparent front-runners. However, it is much more nuanced and complicated than that.
Jeb Bush, this is his last stand. And he is putting enormous strength, power, resources into this.
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JUDY WOODRUFF: And, meanwhile, if I could interrupt, you — I was going to say, you had your governor, Nikki Haley, today endorsing Marco Rubio, which is mixing things…
RANDY COVINGTON: Sure.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Does that help him a lot?
RANDY COVINGTON: Absolutely.
So, you have Bush, who I think is ascendant, strong debate performance. You have Rubio. Just a few minutes ago, the influential State newspaper here in Columbia endorsed Kasich.
So, I think this field is very much in play. Probably, most people expect the insurgent message of Trump to win. But everything else is very volatile. Where I live, every day, my phone rings incessantly with robo-calls.
I brought in my props. This is from my mailbox in the last two days, three pro-Jeb, one anti-Jeb, one anti-Trump, two anti-Rubio, one pro-Rubio. Well, I think there is much more to unfold in the next few hours.
JUDY WOODRUFF: It sounds like, and in the next few days.
But, meanwhile, back to Nevada and Jon Ralston.
The Republicans are competing there one week later. How is that shaping up, or is everything on hold until they see how South Carolina goes?
JON RALSTON: Well, they’re waiting to come here until after South Carolina, Judy.
But Donald Trump is dominating here in the polls. The other campaigns that are organized here, Cruz, Bush and Rubio, all privately acknowledge they’re fighting for second place, but that could be important, depending on what happens in South Carolina.
But I think Nevada is going to mirror what is happening elsewhere, that as long as there are three or four candidates running against Donald Trump, he will get his 25, 30, 35 percent and the rest are going to divide it up, until someone decides to get out or a couple of them decide to get out.
It will be interesting to see what happens in South Carolina, because I think that will have an impact on Nevada, but probably only on who finishes in second and third.
JUDY WOODRUFF: One thing is for sure. It’s not dull.
Jon Ralston, Randy Covington, thank you both.
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